Curse

Master of Sins · Jan 21, 2008, 07:09 PM // 19:09

I'm just wondering if anyone has tried a dazing warrior? I just popped out the build a few days ago- but I'm not a warrior specialist, I do sins. This is what I came up with, but I'm sure the pro warriors can improve on it-

The basic idea: take a sht elite and make it pwn <(^_^)>
disclaimer- I'm not pro at war, esp, at rune gearing -_-

Axe 11 + 2 + 1
Tactics 10 + 1
10 + 1 Strength

Frenzy
Heal Signet
Dismember
Axe Rake
Headbutt
Plague Touch
Wild Blow
Rez Signet

so the idea is that you use the elite of headbutt which normally suks because of energy, cool down and daze for 12-15 seconds and make it leet, by plague touching an enemy monk/ spellcaster, although your damage is only moderate at best, you can snare the enemy with dismember and axe rake, and then before they really care about the useless warrior infront of them they have taken 80 more damage and been dazed, if the are Mo/W and stance you can just use wild blow ^^

the down side of this war is durability and energy, I find that with a zealous axe combined with frenzy and about 25 energy will do it, but that leaves your hp only around 500 at best and frenzy + healsignet is basically the most famous fail in history, I was thinking of changing to lions comfort, but I never do well with it, and I can't really afford rush as a stance cancel since the build already is low on damage

so please warriors, take this build, improve it, and make it your own- and keep it the hell of Wiki! XD

iridescentfyre · Jan 21, 2008, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by Master of Sins

frenzy + healsignet is basically the most famous fail in history, I was thinking of changing to lions comfort, but I never do well with it, and I can't really afford rush as a stance cancel since the build already is low on damage

Frenzy + Healing Signet is only a laughable joke when you're stupid about using it.. but in my opinion its kinda questionable to bring a self-heal as a PvP warrior in the first place. You don't need it, it slows you down, and it will never actually save you from anything--that's what monks are for.

Also, Frenzy without Rush (or functional equivalent) is bad. I would take Rush over Heal Sig easily.

That Dazed effect will be removed in the blink of an eye in anything higher level than RA. In lower-end PvP its probably not a terrible build, but what's the point of shutting someone down when you can just spike them to death?

Crom The Pale · Jan 21, 2008, 08:47 PM // 20:47

This build tends to fail in PvE as well if you have any hench monks or hero monks with condition removal as they will cast it before you get the plauge touch off.

HeadButt is just one of many war elite skills that needs to be adjusted to become more usable.

Turtle222 · Jan 21, 2008, 09:08 PM // 21:08

While yes i agree with the above posters, i think that in normal RA that is alright...afterall, someone has to shut down that prot monk... so if they spam any 1sec spells, you can interrupt them. Yes, take rush is my suggestion.

remember though...many monks use a sin secondary to just escape and remove the condition...then you are screwed for 20 seconds.

Pyro maniac · Jan 21, 2008, 09:16 PM // 21:16

if you're elite isn't an attack skill, I'd prefer taking a sword
sever+gash+thrust is better then any other attack combo w/o elites

horseradish · Jan 21, 2008, 09:45 PM // 21:45

This build could work in lower end PvP, but it doesn't seem to be a strong build overall.

I'm not too experienced either, but I wouldn't take Wild Blow on a Warrior.

I also find Natural Healing+Pious Haste more appealing than Heal Sig and Rush, but it's up to personal preference.

Pyro maniac · Jan 21, 2008, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by horseradish

This build could work in lower end PvP, but it doesn't seem to be a strong build overall.

I'm not too experienced either, but I wouldn't take Wild Blow on a Warrior.

I also find Natural Healing+Pious Haste more appealing than Heal Sig and Rush, but it's up to personal preference.

you need plague touch ..

Yichi · Jan 21, 2008, 09:50 PM // 21:50

You could probably get away with it in RA or AB...

Otherwise its trash. Sorry.

RotteN · Jan 21, 2008, 10:58 PM // 22:58

want to daze people ? play ranger.

enough said

Arkantos · Jan 21, 2008, 11:00 PM // 23:00

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Originally Posted by Yichi

You could probably get away with it in RA or AB...

Otherwise its trash. Sorry.

HEADBUTT SPIKE IN HA OWNZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

On a serious note, warriors don't really have great ways to cause dazed. You could run this in RA/AB, but you'd probably be more effective running shock axe or something.

Tyla · Jan 21, 2008, 11:10 PM // 23:10

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Originally Posted by Master of Sins

Axe 11 + 2 + 1
Tactics 10 + 1
10 + 1 Strength

Frenzy
Heal Signet
Dismember
Axe Rake
Headbutt
Plague Touch
Wild Blow
Rez Signet

No cancel stance, bad elite. (yes it does synergize with PT, but then you'd run something like quivering blade...:S)
Also lacks Exe strike/Body blow

Magikarp · Jan 22, 2008, 01:32 AM // 01:32

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

No cancel stance, bad elite. (yes it does synergize with PT, but then you'd run something like quivering blade...:S)
Also lacks Exe strike/Body blow

BODY BLOW FTWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW WWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!2!! !!!!!

on a serious note...

what they said.

zling · Jan 23, 2008, 07:04 PM // 19:04

if you really really really want to Daze as a Warrior, which you shouldnt in the first place but meh, you should use [skill]skull crack[/skill]
yes another useless elite, same as [skill]headbutt[/skill] but at least more managable on a warrior...but hey if you want to Daze as a melee char you should put [skill]skull crack[/skill] on a Dervish as they dont use adrenaline anyway and Dervishes can function alright even without their awsome elites, namely [skill]avatar of melandru[/skill]

Crom The Pale · Jan 23, 2008, 09:24 PM // 21:24

Now if they dropped its recharge to say 10seconds, and you ran a zealous weapon(frenzy to build adren and recoup energy), might this at least work as a repeatable spike skill?

I know its still not the best, but 100+ unblockable damage is kinda nice.

Cathode_Reborn · Jan 24, 2008, 06:22 AM // 06:22

Warriors arn't meant to daze - if a war has any kind of daze on his skillbar, chances are it's a bad build. KD's with stonefist gaunlets are the warrior's shutdown. If you're in pve, Brawling Headbutt is a good choice. For PvP, you can use a hammer with a few skills that KD.

If you really wanna daze, use Enraging charge at high str with Stunning strike (W/P). Wouldn't really recommend it though.....if for some reason i was using a W/P though, my elite would be the newly buffed "Coward".

Valeria · Jan 24, 2008, 05:40 PM // 17:40

only time dazing is better is when you start fighting doylak / jotun /all other kinds of monsters that can't be knocked down.
But a 21 second dazing is pretty impressive...

the headbutt touch combo is probably better than skull crack, because you don't have to wait until he casts a spell (and have the adrenaline ready and not using another attack skill at that time).

MBP · Jan 24, 2008, 11:32 PM // 23:32

[skill]quivering blade[/skill][skill]plague touch[/skill]

Coloneh · Jan 24, 2008, 11:46 PM // 23:46

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Originally Posted by MBP

[skill]quivering blade[/skill][skill]plague touch[/skill]

7 seconds of dave every once in awhile? no thanks. your only getting daze on a target who is already using guardian or a stance. not very useful.

jimmyboveto · Jan 25, 2008, 12:17 AM // 00:17

Not bad, but if you really want a daze warrior go with quivering as everyone else said. Even then, however, I'm not sure if its worth it. When it comes to daze, BHA and epidemic are teh kings.

Crom The Pale · Jan 25, 2008, 04:24 AM // 04:24

They really should add Daze to at least one Hammer attack, I mean your whacking the person in the head with a block of granite on a stick......

Little birdies flying circles anyone???